[einar.hjortdal]

$sudo systemctl status thermald
○ thermald.service - Thermal Daemon Service
Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/thermald.service; disabled; preset: enabled)
Active: inactive (dead)
$cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/intel_pstate/status
passive

[einar.hjortdal]

$sudo journalctl -u thermald --no-pager | head -80
mag 26 20:19:37 ms7816 systemd[1]: Starting thermald.service...
mag 26 20:19:38 ms7816 thermald[5176]: 13 CPUID levels; family:model:stepping 0x6:3c:3 (6:60:3)
mag 26 20:19:38 ms7816 thermald[5176]: 13 CPUID levels; family:model:stepping 0x6:3c:3 (6:60:3)
mag 26 20:19:38 ms7816 thermald[5176]: Using config file /etc/thermald/thermal-conf.xml
mag 26 20:19:38 ms7816 thermald[5176]: Polling mode is enabled: 4
mag 26 20:19:38 ms7816 systemd[1]: Started thermald.service.
mag 26 21:38:58 ms7816 systemd[1]: Stopping thermald.service...
mag 26 21:38:58 ms7816 thermald[5176]: Terminating ...
mag 26 21:38:59 ms7816 thermald[5176]: terminating on user request ..
mag 26 21:39:00 ms7816 systemd[1]: thermald.service: Deactivated successfully.
mag 26 21:39:00 ms7816 systemd[1]: Stopped thermald.service.
-- Boot e47ce3f9dccd46b9b18d9904e1a3badf --
mag 26 21:39:35 ms7816 systemd[1]: Starting thermald.service...
mag 26 21:39:35 ms7816 thermald[5098]: NO RAPL sysfs present
mag 26 21:39:35 ms7816 thermald[5098]: 13 CPUID levels; family:model:stepping 0x6:3c:3 (6:60:3)
mag 26 21:39:35 ms7816 thermald[5098]: 13 CPUID levels; family:model:stepping 0x6:3c:3 (6:60:3)
mag 26 21:39:35 ms7816 thermald[5098]: Using config file /etc/thermald/thermal-conf.xml
mag 26 21:39:35 ms7816 thermald[5098]: Polling mode is enabled: 4
mag 26 21:39:35 ms7816 systemd[1]: Started thermald.service.
mag 26 22:25:03 ms7816 systemd[1]: Stopping thermald.service...
mag 26 22:25:03 ms7816 thermald[5098]: Terminating ...
mag 26 22:25:04 ms7816 thermald[5098]: terminating on user request ..
mag 26 22:25:05 ms7816 systemd[1]: thermald.service: Deactivated successfully.
mag 26 22:25:05 ms7816 systemd[1]: Stopped thermald.service.
-- Boot 3258e618cb914964a9fbf6125a131c9d --
mag 26 22:25:42 ms7816 systemd[1]: Starting thermald.service...
mag 26 22:25:43 ms7816 thermald[5117]: 13 CPUID levels; family:model:stepping 0x6:3c:3 (6:60:3)
mag 26 22:25:43 ms7816 thermald[5117]: 13 CPUID levels; family:model:stepping 0x6:3c:3 (6:60:3)
mag 26 22:25:43 ms7816 thermald[5117]: Using config file /etc/thermald/thermal-conf.xml
mag 26 22:25:43 ms7816 thermald[5117]: Polling mode is enabled: 4
mag 26 22:25:43 ms7816 systemd[1]: Started thermald.service.
mag 26 22:48:20 ms7816 systemd[1]: Stopping thermald.service...
mag 26 22:48:20 ms7816 thermald[5117]: Terminating ...
mag 26 22:48:21 ms7816 thermald[5117]: terminating on user request ..
mag 26 22:48:22 ms7816 systemd[1]: thermald.service: Deactivated successfully.
mag 26 22:48:22 ms7816 systemd[1]: Stopped thermald.service.
-- Boot 06b3845c283d478fb146c9e590047bf4 --
mag 26 22:49:36 ms7816 systemd[1]: Starting thermald.service...
mag 26 22:49:36 ms7816 thermald[5068]: NO RAPL sysfs present
mag 26 22:49:36 ms7816 thermald[5068]: 13 CPUID levels; family:model:stepping 0x6:3c:3 (6:60:3)
mag 26 22:49:36 ms7816 thermald[5068]: NO RAPL sysfs present
mag 26 22:49:36 ms7816 thermald[5068]: 13 CPUID levels; family:model:stepping 0x6:3c:3 (6:60:3)
mag 26 22:49:36 ms7816 thermald[5068]: Using config file /etc/thermald/thermal-conf.xml
mag 26 22:49:37 ms7816 thermald[5068]: Polling mode is enabled: 4
mag 26 22:49:37 ms7816 systemd[1]: Started thermald.service.
mag 27 10:30:40 ms7816 thermald[5068]: Terminating ...
mag 27 10:30:40 ms7816 systemd[1]: Stopping thermald.service...
mag 27 10:30:41 ms7816 thermald[5068]: terminating on user request ..
mag 27 10:30:42 ms7816 systemd[1]: thermald.service: Deactivated successfully.
mag 27 10:30:42 ms7816 systemd[1]: Stopped thermald.service.
-- Boot a9d80632af6a403bb89c1e67873c0fec --
mag 27 16:42:49 ms7816 systemd[1]: Starting thermald.service...
mag 27 16:42:49 ms7816 thermald[5014]: NO RAPL sysfs present
mag 27 16:42:49 ms7816 thermald[5014]: 13 CPUID levels; family:model:stepping 0x6:3c:3 (6:60:3)
mag 27 16:42:49 ms7816 thermald[5014]: NO RAPL sysfs present
mag 27 16:42:49 ms7816 thermald[5014]: 13 CPUID levels; family:model:stepping 0x6:3c:3 (6:60:3)
mag 27 16:42:49 ms7816 thermald[5014]: Using config file /etc/thermald/thermal-conf.xml
mag 27 16:42:49 ms7816 thermald[5014]: Polling mode is enabled: 4
mag 27 16:42:49 ms7816 systemd[1]: Started thermald.service.
mag 31 11:25:58 ms7816 systemd[1]: Stopping thermald.service...
mag 31 11:25:58 ms7816 thermald[5014]: Terminating ...
mag 31 11:25:59 ms7816 thermald[5014]: terminating on user request ..
mag 31 11:26:00 ms7816 systemd[1]: thermald.service: Deactivated successfully.
mag 31 11:26:00 ms7816 systemd[1]: Stopped thermald.service.
-- Boot 55d42ef6be3b4e66ad022368c0fba8f4 --
mag 31 11:26:35 ms7816 systemd[1]: Starting thermald.service...
mag 31 11:26:35 ms7816 thermald[4773]: NO RAPL sysfs present
mag 31 11:26:35 ms7816 thermald[4773]: 13 CPUID levels; family:model:stepping 0x6:3c:3 (6:60:3)
mag 31 11:26:35 ms7816 thermald[4773]: NO RAPL sysfs present
mag 31 11:26:35 ms7816 thermald[4773]: 13 CPUID levels; family:model:stepping 0x6:3c:3 (6:60:3)
mag 31 11:26:36 ms7816 thermald[4773]: Using config file /etc/thermald/thermal-conf.xml
mag 31 11:26:36 ms7816 thermald[4773]: Polling mode is enabled: 4
mag 31 11:26:36 ms7816 systemd[1]: Started thermald.service.
mag 31 16:18:54 ms7816 thermald[4773]: Terminating ...
mag 31 16:18:54 ms7816 systemd[1]: Stopping thermald.service...
mag 31 16:18:55 ms7816 thermald[4773]: terminating on user request ..
mag 31 16:18:56 ms7816 systemd[1]: thermald.service: Deactivated successfully.
mag 31 16:18:56 ms7816 systemd[1]: Stopped thermald.service.

I have applied these changes and rebooted, as suggested. The situation hasn’t changed, maybe the cause is something else?

sudo systemctl disable --now thermald
echo "schedutil" | sudo tee /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_governor

grep . /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_* 2>/dev/null | sed -n '1,40p' | grep scaling_cur_freq
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq:800047
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq:800056
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu2/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq:800050
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu3/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq:800027
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu4/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq:800052
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu5/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq:800040

Maybe the command was the issue.

$cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_governor
userspace
userspace
userspace
userspace
userspace
userspace
userspace
userspace

I believe this should have been changed to schedutil, is that right? This changes at reboot.
Without rebooting cpu frequency is as expected

$grep . /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_* 2>/dev/null | sed -n '1,40p' | grep scaling_cur_freq
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq:3165508
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq:3197528
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu2/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq:3197465
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu3/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq:2782051
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu4/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq:4260972
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu5/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq:4221910

Therefore your suspicion was correct

• This reply was modified 1 month ago by einar.hjortdal.
• This reply was modified 1 month ago by einar.hjortdal.

[einar.hjortdal]

Interestingly, the directory does exist

$ls /sys/class/powercap/
intel-rapl  intel-rapl:0  intel-rapl:0:0  intel-rapl:0:1  intel-rapl:0:2

[einar.hjortdal]

This is right after a boot

$sudo journalctl -u thermald
[...]
-- Boot 55d42ef6be3b4e66ad022368c0fba8f4 --
mag 31 11:26:35 ms7816 systemd[1]: Starting thermald.service...
mag 31 11:26:35 ms7816 thermald[4773]: NO RAPL sysfs present
mag 31 11:26:35 ms7816 thermald[4773]: 13 CPUID levels; family:model:stepping 0x6:3c:3 (6:60:3)
mag 31 11:26:35 ms7816 thermald[4773]: NO RAPL sysfs present
mag 31 11:26:35 ms7816 thermald[4773]: 13 CPUID levels; family:model:stepping 0x6:3c:3 (6:60:3)
mag 31 11:26:36 ms7816 thermald[4773]: Using config file /etc/thermald/thermal-conf.xml
mag 31 11:26:36 ms7816 thermald[4773]: Polling mode is enabled: 4
mag 31 11:26:36 ms7816 systemd[1]: Started thermald.service.

$grep . /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_* 2>/dev/null | sed -n '1,40p' | grep scaling_cur_freq
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq:800019
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq:800068
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu2/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq:800313
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu3/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq:800067
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu4/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq:799757
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu5/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq:800054

After a sleep/wake, thermald logs don’t have any new lines

$sudo journalctl -u thermald
[...]
-- Boot 55d42ef6be3b4e66ad022368c0fba8f4 --
mag 31 11:26:35 ms7816 systemd[1]: Starting thermald.service...
mag 31 11:26:35 ms7816 thermald[4773]: NO RAPL sysfs present
mag 31 11:26:35 ms7816 thermald[4773]: 13 CPUID levels; family:model:stepping 0x6:3c:3 (6:60:3)
mag 31 11:26:35 ms7816 thermald[4773]: NO RAPL sysfs present
mag 31 11:26:35 ms7816 thermald[4773]: 13 CPUID levels; family:model:stepping 0x6:3c:3 (6:60:3)
mag 31 11:26:36 ms7816 thermald[4773]: Using config file /etc/thermald/thermal-conf.xml
mag 31 11:26:36 ms7816 thermald[4773]: Polling mode is enabled: 4
mag 31 11:26:36 ms7816 systemd[1]: Started thermald.service.

$grep . /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_* 2>/dev/null | sed -n '1,40p' | grep scaling_cur_freq
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq:4000319
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq:4000283
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu2/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq:800000
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu3/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq:4000328
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu4/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq:4002378
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu5/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq:4000768

I did notice that cpuower-gui is no longer installed by default. I wait for further instructions to debug this issue.

• This reply was modified 1 month ago by einar.hjortdal.

[einar.hjortdal]

I f***ed around. This is before sleep-wake:

$ grep . /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_* 2>/dev/null | sed -n '1,40p'
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors:userspace performance schedutil
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq:800068
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_driver:intel_cpufreq
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor:userspace
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_max_freq:4400000
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_min_freq:800000
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_setspeed:800000
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors:userspace performance schedutil
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq:800087
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/cpufreq/scaling_driver:intel_cpufreq
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/cpufreq/scaling_governor:userspace
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/cpufreq/scaling_max_freq:4400000
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/cpufreq/scaling_min_freq:800000
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/cpufreq/scaling_setspeed:800000
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu2/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors:userspace performance schedutil
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu2/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq:800145
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu2/cpufreq/scaling_driver:intel_cpufreq
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu2/cpufreq/scaling_governor:userspace
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu2/cpufreq/scaling_max_freq:4400000
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu2/cpufreq/scaling_min_freq:800000
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu2/cpufreq/scaling_setspeed:800000
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu3/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors:userspace performance schedutil
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu3/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq:799928
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu3/cpufreq/scaling_driver:intel_cpufreq
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu3/cpufreq/scaling_governor:userspace
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu3/cpufreq/scaling_max_freq:4400000
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu3/cpufreq/scaling_min_freq:800000
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu3/cpufreq/scaling_setspeed:800000
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu4/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors:userspace performance schedutil
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu4/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq:800049
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu4/cpufreq/scaling_driver:intel_cpufreq
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu4/cpufreq/scaling_governor:userspace
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu4/cpufreq/scaling_max_freq:4400000
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu4/cpufreq/scaling_min_freq:800000
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu4/cpufreq/scaling_setspeed:800000
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu5/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors:userspace performance schedutil
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu5/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq:800000
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu5/cpufreq/scaling_driver:intel_cpufreq
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu5/cpufreq/scaling_governor:userspace
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu5/cpufreq/scaling_max_freq:4400000

This is after sleep-wake:

$grep . /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu*/cpufreq/scaling_* 2>/dev/null | sed -n '1,40p'
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors:userspace performance schedutil
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq:4000372
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_driver:intel_cpufreq
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_governor:userspace
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_max_freq:4400000
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_min_freq:800000
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/scaling_setspeed:800000
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors:userspace performance schedutil
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq:800000
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/cpufreq/scaling_driver:intel_cpufreq
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/cpufreq/scaling_governor:userspace
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/cpufreq/scaling_max_freq:4400000
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/cpufreq/scaling_min_freq:800000
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu1/cpufreq/scaling_setspeed:800000
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu2/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors:userspace performance schedutil
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu2/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq:4000339
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu2/cpufreq/scaling_driver:intel_cpufreq
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu2/cpufreq/scaling_governor:userspace
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu2/cpufreq/scaling_max_freq:4400000
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu2/cpufreq/scaling_min_freq:800000
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu2/cpufreq/scaling_setspeed:800000
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu3/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors:userspace performance schedutil
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu3/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq:4000242
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu3/cpufreq/scaling_driver:intel_cpufreq
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu3/cpufreq/scaling_governor:userspace
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu3/cpufreq/scaling_max_freq:4400000
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu3/cpufreq/scaling_min_freq:800000
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu3/cpufreq/scaling_setspeed:800000
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu4/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors:userspace performance schedutil
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu4/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq:800000
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu4/cpufreq/scaling_driver:intel_cpufreq
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu4/cpufreq/scaling_governor:userspace
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu4/cpufreq/scaling_max_freq:4400000
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu4/cpufreq/scaling_min_freq:800000
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu4/cpufreq/scaling_setspeed:800000
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu5/cpufreq/scaling_available_governors:userspace performance schedutil
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu5/cpufreq/scaling_cur_freq:4001780
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu5/cpufreq/scaling_driver:intel_cpufreq
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu5/cpufreq/scaling_governor:userspace
/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu5/cpufreq/scaling_max_freq:4400000

Definitely the cpu is stuck at 800mhz, after sleep-wake it can boost like normal. Do you know what could cause this?

[einar.hjortdal]

This issue returned, after reinstalling openmbamba and removing .config

I have not installed and run cpupower-gui yet, maybe we can investigate and find the root cause?

[einar.hjortdal]

Moving .config worked. Unfortunately I have to pick and restore some directories within it. But I guess this case is closed. Thank you for the support

[einar.hjortdal]

Actually, I just remembered that this morning, the older version of plasma was working fine with this home directory. And the first time these issues appeared was when the system updated to the latest plasma packages. Therefore, the new plasma version must not like whatever is contained in these user settings that are perfectly fine with older versions of plasma.

[einar.hjortdal]

You were correct, the new user does not have these issues.

I did not suspect user settings because I did not change any. Because I did not change any, I don’t know which is causing the issues.

Are you aware of any setting being touched by the packages at update? I doubt they touch user settings though… Just what happened? 🤔 I could even wipe them all, if I knew which directories to wipe

[einar.hjortdal]

Thank you for looking into this issue.

I have now installed openmamba using the new livecd image.

The app menu does work correctly now in the live environment. At the end of the install process, calamares fails to unmount the partitions, but I don’t think this causes the issues I am experiencing. Here is the calamares log file: https://termbin.com/0bax

I am experiencing the same crashes right in the first boot. I have not updated nor installed any packages. I have not run dnf at all. Please advise what to do in order to debug the situation.

[einar.hjortdal]

I have managed to find an old livecd image from june 2025, and I have installed it. I have not installed nor updated any package yet. I could update each package until the problem occurs again, so that we would know which package causes it. Would this help? What packages should I upgrade and in what order? Do you have suspicions?

[einar.hjortdal]

I believe the AI is misleading you: I have removed nvidia_470 and nothing changed, except for even worse performance, because of course now everything is cpu rendered

glxinfo | grep "OpenGL renderer"
OpenGL renderer string: llvmpipe (LLVM 22.1.5, 256 bits)

[einar.hjortdal]

I don’t know if any of the uploads was successful because I am told I am not allowed to upload those file types.
Here is a link to the file: https://drive.google.com/file/d/14VsPIhZSNWxI7qJdWfWDzNXw0LWiNvzp/view?usp=drive_link

[einar.hjortdal]

unfortunately it did not help

[einar.hjortdal]

Got this using strace -f -o kate_crash.log kate -n (compressed with zstd)

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